Ron Paulbots Really Have It In for Herman Cain

Bookmark and Share  I recently observed some of the bantering going on at the Ron Paul Forum and noticed that Ron Paul fanatics despise Herman Cain even more than I thought.

Referring to a White House 2012 article on Herman Cain’s 2004 senate race in Georgia, one Paulbot tries to suggest that Cain is a liar because in his recent interview with Piers Morgan, Cain claimed that he made an impressive showing in that race.  The creator of this particular Ron Paul Forum thread also suggests that Cain lied because in that same interview Cain he refered to that same election by stating  “I almost pulled it off. I came within 2 percentage points.”

The truth is that Herman Cain’s descriptions of his 2004 senate campaign are not lies.  The fact that Herman Cain, a relative unknown and a definite political novice, came in second in a race against two well established incumbent congressmen is impressive.  And as was stated in the White House 2012 referenced earlier, the campaign team of Johnny Isakson, the man who went on to win that senate race,  state that Cain gave them a good scare and a run for their money.

As for the claim that Cain lied when he stated that he came within two percent in that race, what the accuser does not understand is first, what they are talking about, and second, that Cain’s reference to 2%, is a reference to the fact that had he polled a fraction more than 2%, he would have forced Isakson in to a runoff election for the Republican nomination.  In Georgia, no one can win an election without more than 50% of the vote.  That was noted in White House 2012.

Despite the truth, respondents in this particular thread go on to write things such as;

“I honestly believe that he [Cain]  is the most dishonest man I have ever heard of in my entire life. It’s one thing for Romney to flip flop on every thing over the course of a few years. Cain is lying and changing positions every day now, and some times twice.”     

To which “Cutlerzzz” replies;

“Seriously. He’s either a compulsive liar, or a major flip flopper.”  

Pauliticalfan chimes in with “Seriously. He’s either a compulsive liar, or a major flip flopper.”

Ron Paul’s kool-aid swigging base goes on with their attempt to make Cain out to be a liar, based on the remarks he made about 2004 senate campaign.  And then “Bruno” suddenly adds;

“So Cain is ‘not a politician’  only because he has failed numerous times to become one?  Interesting.  Let’s help keep that trend going so he can still say he is not a politician in 2012.”

The funny thing is that “Bruno’s” signature in the Ron Paul Forum is a quote from Ron Paul that reads;

“I’m not just trying to win or get elected. I am trying to change the course of history”

And therein lies the hypocrisy of Paulbots and Ron paul himself.  If he is not running to get elected, why has been running for and getting elected to office for two decades and is now embarking on his third race for President?  I dare suggest that if after 17 runs for elected office, and two decades in office, if you haven’t changed history yet, I doubt you will do it next the 14 months.  I will also add that if anyone is a politician it is someone has been in politics and playing it for more than a quarter of century.

I find it truly hysterical that Ron Paul’s base is quick to call others liars and denounce the game of politics when their own messiah, Ron Paul himself lies about his own record and both he and his supporters are so willing to play political games themselves.   We are talking about a man who while preaching fiscal responsibility and pushing for the federal government to get our lives, is earmarking hundreds of millions of dollars to have the federal subsidize a study on shrimp.  And as for his supporters, while they preach the ills of politics, as demonstrated in their attempted lynching of Herman Cain, are quick to play politics and distort the record and words of Herman Cain.

And tomorrow, they will drop their focus on Cain and aim it towards the next Republican who is beating Ron Paul at the top of the polls.

Meanwhile, all Ron paul supporters are doing is running an ad hoc Obama reelection committee.  For in the end, if they succeed, the reelection of Barack Obama is all that they will achieve.

To be sure, Herman Cain has no love lost for Ron Paul and his dangerous, lunatic, fringe supporters.  In the same Piers Morgan interview dealot with earlier, Cain made it clear that he thinks that of elected President,. Ron Paul would be quite bad for America.  Cain adds that he disagrees with Paul’s solutions that simply throw the baby out with the bath water.  And as for Paul’s supporters, there again there is no love lost.

In his book, “This Is Herman Cain”, Cain claims that Paul’s supporters are “threatened”  by him and  that they are “trying to destroy” him “on the fact that I was once affiliated with” the  Federal Reserve.

After reading this thread about Herman Cain that comes from Ron Paul’s fans, it appears to me that Herman Cain is not the liar, but that those who doth protest too much are.

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Herman Cain Speaks to Piers Morgan about Ron Paul, Homosexuality, and Abortion

Cain clip on Abortion and Homosexuality

Bookmark and Share  In a Wednesday night interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Herman Cain was pressed to answer many questions and while he held up to the questioning, he did fumble a bit on the issue of abortion when he seemed to try to have it both ways

Cain confirmed that he believes that life begins at conception and when asked, he also confirmed to Morgan that unlike many of his Republican opponents in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, he opposes abortion under all circumstances, including in cases of rape or incest.  But asked if he actually believed that if a female member of his family conceived a child through rape, should be forced to give birth to that child under those same circumstances, Cain figuratively flinched and offered an answer that contradicted the very convictions he professed to just moments earlier.

In his own words;

No, it comes down to is, it’s not the government’s role — or anybody else’s role — to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is, it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision.

While the answer sounded commendably libertarian, and admirably evoked conservative, limited government principles, it clearly defied his previous statements about there being no acceptable exception for an abortion to take place.

While I do not for one moment deny the unfathomable difficulty in the conflict that would exist for a victim of rape having to be victimized a second time by the need to confront the abortion issue, we also can’t deny the fact that Herman Cain can’t have it both ways on this issues.  Either he opposes abortion on the grounds that life begins at conception and therefore it is the government’s responsible to protect life and overturn Roe v. Wade, or he is a pro-choice advocate who believes that government has no say in the matter and that it is ultimately a woman’s personal decision.

It would seem that what Cain is saying is that his anti-abortion, under all circumstances, right-to-life,  position is a personal one that he would not seek to project on to others through government policies.  If that is the case, Cain will have a bit a problem with the evangelical community, and religious right which up to now he has been quite popular with, and as always, constitutes an influential voting bloc within the Republican base.

While many continue to badger Mitt Romney over the evolution of his owns views which allowed him to convert to a pro-life position, the ambiguity of Cain’s position on the issue becomes more prescient.  And although Cain’s lack of a record because of his never having held office, provides him with significant opportunities for getting a pass on some positions, when it comes to the issues of life and choice, Herman Cain will not, and should not, be given a pass.  He will have to clarify his position on this issue sooner or later.

Aside from that one really notable bump in Cain’s performance during the Morgan interview, the G.O.P.’s latest leading contender for the presidential nomination did provide for many very logical, conservative, and truly limited government, constitutional answers.

One of the most refreshing was on the issue of homosexuality.

While Piers Morgan feigned astonishment at Herman Cain’s belief that homosexuality is a choice and not a characteristic someone is born with, Herman Cain defended his belief based upon what he sees as a lack of evidence to convince him otherwise.  However, at the same time he made it clear that while his religious beliefs lead him to view homosexuality as a sin,  he also believes that the gay lifestyle is a choice which people have the right to make for themselves.

As a gay man, I found myself appreciative of Herman Cain’s willingness to allow for mutual respect of others regardless of their orientation.  As a conservative I was proud and happy to see another conservative adopt a truly conservative, non-hypocritical position on the issue which seemingly keeps government out of our bedrooms and adheres to the conservative conviction to the limits of government in both its scope and size.  I can easily accept and respect Herman Cain’s religious belief that homosexuality is a sin, so long as he accepts me as a person and does not wish to impose his personal beliefs on me.

During the course of the CNN interview, another response that Cain gave to a Morgan initiated question also appealed to me.

When asked which of his Republican presidential opponents he respects the most, Cain quickly replied Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney.  He admitted that while he sees himself as the best choice, he is confident that both Gingrich and Romney would make fine presidents and do a great job.  I agree with that assessment. [see that clip through the image link below]

When it came time for Herman to tell Piers which one of his opponents he respected least, Cain laughingly stated that he would rather stay away from that after some persistence by Morgan, Cain admitted that he believe that contrary to Gingricg and Romney, Ron Paul would be a bad President.

Cain stated that Ron Paul’s approach to all our problems is to throw the baby out with the bath water and that he just does not believe that to be the right way to solving our problems.  Again, I agree with that assessment too.

All in all, I believe that Herman Cain scored well among Republicans and independents who saw the interview.  While he undoubtedly created more questions than answers regarding his position on abortion, when it comes to character, competence, and the desire for a  new type of anti-establishment, limited government leader, Cain racked up many points.

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