Did Rick Perry Threaten Ron Paul During the Presidential Debate?

Bookmark and Share  While most of the on air sparring in last night’s Republican presidential debate took place between Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, apparently there was a little brouhaha during one of the station breaks. 

As captured in the photo shown here, it was during one of these breaks that Governor Perry strode up to Ron Paul, grabbed Paul’s wrist and raised his other hand to point a finger in Paul’s face in an attempt to make a point to the Congressman.

According to RonPaul.com, here’s how it went down:

“During a commercial break at Wednesday’s Republican debate, Rick Perry and Ron Paul continued their spirited exchange on stage. Suddenly, Perry grabbed Ron Paul’s forearm while aggressively pointing his index finger towards the Congressman’s face. Alerted by Perry’s menacing gestures, Ron Paul’s bodyguard (front left) was standing by, ready to protect the Congressman.”

What exactly was said is unknown but that won’t prevent Pauliacs from trying to use the image against their feeble three time presidential candidate.  So far they are on a campaign to try and claim that Perry was threatening and intimidating Paul. 

If the photo is capturing a truly heated exchange you can rest assured that Governor  Perry most likely urged Ron Paul  to stop the blatant lies Paul’s campaign has been promulgating about Perry, including the one about Perry having been a national chairman for Al Gore.

In past debates, live streams allowed internet users to catch glimpses of the candidates and how they were interacting during commercial breaks but MSNBC’s live stream of last night’s debate did not offer such an opportunity as they simply cut the  feed during commercials.  Had they not, we might have at  least seen the Perry-Paul exchange.

So far, there is no official comment from either Paul or Perry regarding what the exchange consisted of, but that has not stopped Ron Paul fanatics from trying to lift their messiah ever higher by alleging Rick Perry assaulted their guy. 

Until it is known exactly what was said, drawing conclusions is futile, but in the end, it my be in the best interest of Ron Paul that Rick Perry’s words remain unknown because if I know Rick Perry, his words probably did not provide for the type of praise that Ron Paul  would want to duplicate in an ad promoting his candidacy. And it will probably make many Paulbots look truly stupid for their exaggerations and lies.

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Update:  The truth comes out and the Ron Paul crowd does indeed look stupid.  See the conclusion here.

The Third Major Republican Presidential Debate Starts Setting the Tone for 2012

Bookmark and Share    Watch the entire debate below this post.


 Last night’s presidential debate was the first one of the 2012 campaign to actually began to shape opinions and sway voters.  While most voters have not yet placed their bets, the exchanges that took place on a stage in the Air Force One wing of the Reagan Library finally began to provide voters with a true sense of the candidates, their styles, their records, and their vision.  While the program did tend to be dominated by a Perry versus Romney narrative.   The other six did get brief opportunities to shine, but few did so in any signficant way.
 While I will leave an in-depth analysis of the debate to other White House 2012 posts entitled “A Two Horse Race” and “Quick Debate Recap“, I will offer a few points of my own about moments in the debate that I believe were quite notable.

NBC debate moderator could not help but begin the program by entering into a statement that suggested Americans blame conservative policies for all the economic problems we are experiencing and insinuated that at the same time, most Americans do not believe President Obama’s policies are as liberal as they should be.   Not only is this incorrect, it was also another subtle but blatant editorial opinion being interjected into a conversation by a member of the lamestream media who is suppose to be impartial and non-partisan. 

Another very memorable moment in the debate can be seen about 26 minutes into the  video of  debate that is proveded  below this post.

As Politico’s John  Harris pursued a line of questioning designed to inflame an internecine ideological debate over healthcare, he through the floor open to Newt Gingrich and said;

“Well I’m frankly not interested in your efforts to get Republicans to fight against eachother…….You’d like to puff this up into some giant thing.  The fact here is that every single person up here understands Obamacare is a disaster.  It is a disaster procedural, it was rammed through after they lost Teddy Kennedy’s seat in Massachusetts, it was written badly, it was never reconciled, it can’t be implemented, it is killing this economy.  And if this President has a concern for working Americans, he’d walk in Thursday night and ask to repeal it because its a monstrosity.  Every person up here agrees with that!”……….

At that point the audience broke out into one of the largest round of applauds of the night and once the clapping died down Newt went on to say……….

” And let me just say…since I still have a little time left……….let me just say, I for one….and I hope all of my friends up here —- Are going to repudiate every effort of the news media to get Republicans to fight each other to protect Barack Obama who deserves to be defeated, and all of us are committed as a team……. Whoever the nominee is we are all committed to defeating Barack Obama”

To which the audience again broke out into another round of applause but this was even louder than the last.

It was probably one of the best statements of the night and the most real display of anger offered by any of the candidates on the stage last night.  However, it was not enough to propel Newt into the race as an immediate threat to anyone in the front of the field that he trails.  But it did renew my appreciation for Gingrich and made me realize that when the election is over, he might just be perfect as the Republican national Committee Chairman or the new President’s Press Secretary. 

 Beyond that, I again suggest that you see theexcellent analyses provided in the two White House 2012 links above and also that you see the debate by clicking on the link below.  It is a good oner that should not be missed.

Click here to see the complete debate

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How Will Palin’s Proposal to Elimnate the Corporate Tax Effect the Repubican Presidential Field

Bookmark and Share   Although she is not a candidate for President, at least not yet, and despite Mitt Romney’s now nearly 6 year’s of continuous for President and Rick Perry’s overnight rise to presidential popularity, Sarah Palin remains the biggest influence on and in the G.O.P. field to date. Despite Romney’s money and frontrunner status, regardless of Michele Bachmann’s win in the Iowa Straw Poll and Rick Perry’s last minute entry into the race, Sarah Palin still remains the elephant in the room.  Her Labor Day weekend speech in Iowa was probably more watched than the campaign announcements to run of all the other declared presidential candidates combined. Additionally a significant number of Americans continue to refuse to consider any of the existing presidential candidates unless Sarah Palin makes it official that she will not run.

So her every move continues to be monitored under a microscope of media scrutiny and the eyes of an electorate that Palin seems to polarize more than the average politician. As such, even though Palin did not use her Saturday speech at the TEA Party Nation rally in Indianola, Iowa to announce her presidential candidacy, it still had a dramatic effect on the existing field of G.O.P. presidential candidates. Many Republicans and practically all TEA movement members will compare all the other candidates to Palin and the remarks she made in her speech.

Many voters will in fact heed her advice to “properly vet” all the candidates and to also question how accountable they will be to the big money financial donors who contribute heavily to their campaigns.

But one of the most immediate effects of Palin’s speech will be seen during this Wednesday’s presidential debate.

Although this debate is sponsored in large part by MSNBC or as I like to call them, the Mostly Slanted News Bias Company, even their most brain-dead, drone-like on air personalities should be able to see that a most natural question to ask the candidates that comes from Palin’s speech is whether or not they agree with her proposal to eliminate all corporate taxes.  The question is practically a mandatory one, and the answers that the candidates give to it are critically important that will say much about their ideological purity.

In explaining one aspect of her plan to restore us to a strong and a free market economy, Palin proposed that as one part of her “plan” for America, she would eliminate the corportate tax. It was a bold proposal and not necessarily an easy one to make a majority of Americans to initially support. In this day of class warfare and widespread liberal attempts to make corporations the boogeyman, a proposal that would eliminate a tax on them will certainly not be popular.

The fact that Palin did make the proposal could be an indication that she in fact will not be a candidate for President. People who are not seeking votes tend to be more willing to speak the truths that may be unpopular. But whether Palin is to run or not, her proposal has placed the existing G.O.P. field in a bit of a quandary.

In truth, eliminating the corporate tax will dramatically change the existing economic paradigm. Not only will it transform the tax industry and shift the focus of ,and reduce the need for, CPA firms, tax attorneys, and corporate tax attorneys, but it will also direct the aim of corporate leaders to move from avoiding taxes to maximizing income. In case those on the left don’t understand what maximizing income means, it is called making a profit and it’s a good thing.

But in addition to that, eliminating the corporate tax would almost certainly reduce prices on everything. The elimination of the corporate tax would allow companies to begin lowering prices in order to make them more competitive and to insure they do not to lose a significant market share. Furthermore, and probably foremost, as Sarah Palin pointed out in her speech;

“Did you know our rates are higher than China and communist Cuba? This doesn’t generate as much revenue as you would think, though, because many big corporations skirt federal taxes because they have the friends in D.C. who right the rules for the rest of us. This makes us less competitive and restrains our engine of prosperity. Heck, some businesses spend more time trying to figure out how to hide their profits than they do in generating more profits so that they can expand and hire more of us. So, to make America the most attractive and competitive place to do business, to set up shop here and hire people here, to attract capital from all over the globe that will lead to an explosion of growth, instead of chasing industry offshore, I propose to eliminate all federal corporate income tax. And hear me out on this. This is how we create millions of high-paying jobs. This is how we increase opportunity and prosperity for all.”

Palin’s proposal makes sense but leadership will be required to make the logic of it hit home with voters. Apparently, Sarah Palin is ready to lead on the issue.

If she intends to lead on the issue as an elected politician or as a private citizen is still in doubt, but whatever her decision is, she has forced the current field of declared candidates to decide between being an elected leader who is willing to speak the truth be it popular or not, or if they will be typical politicians more concerned with politics than policy.

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